It’s official — Apple unveils the iPhone 5

^Troll, typical fandroid is on the wild

@ Sonny
Yes I’ve heared of the Qualcomm S4 chip. The one that was beaten by A6! And I’m fully aware that iPhone 5 is the fastest smartphone in the planet to date. Read it http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/21/apples_iphone_5_is_fastest_smartphone_in_the_land

@Edu
: Unibody topic – I am stating the fact that a unibody case is not a feature Apple can boast as much as they did before. Beauty is subjective. And if you think One X/S is not elegant, IMO the iphone is a brick. Slim, but still a brick. So apple doesn’t “win it” because it looks good for you.

We agree on the Experia though. ^^

:SOC and Gigahertz race – If you think Apple is over and beyond the Gigahertz race, then why did Apple go and used the Cortex A15? Because it sells! Apple knows that it’s not about, “how well it works in the end of the day…” because that won’t sell at all. Look what happened with WP7/7.5 spec limits. In the end of the day the restricted(mediocre) specs gave users a great experience but people were still complaining about how mediocre it is.

They need to put that SOC there not because it needs it per se, but just to make sure it would stand out from competitors for now = gigahertz/performance race. Apple is not immune to it.
:Retina display – I stated those devices to present that the PPI part of their Retina display is nothing new or exclusive. It wasn’t their original idea.

Saturation, contrasts, refresh rates, etc are also big (if not bigger) factor on how the display looks. Even if the display in the Iphone 5 is the best, it wouldn’t mean that SuperAMOLED, SuperLCD and ClearBlack tech would suddenly be disgusting to look at.

:Premium materials – Aluminum is NOT a premium material. We use it as foil FCOL.It’s the way apple used aluminum for its phone is elegant. But it losses elegance the more frequent apple uses the same design year after year.

The older gen i-phones used plastic parts. Does that mean apple used to sell non-premium products?

Apple of course would have s better winning-design streak than everyone else because they only have a handful of products – and only one phone. Can they blame people from saying it is starting to look like, “meh” if it’ll continue to look the same way year after year, regardless premium materials or not?

: NFC – The basis of this argument was Apple is no longer the risk-taker/innovator it was before when it comes to emerging tech. They took the risk with Firewire, mini floppies, Thunderbolt, Wifi, airplay and SSD as standard feature set – even when they were not the clear and definite solution to the problem/field at their time. And since that the NFC is more than just for e-commerce, they are missing an opportunity to be THE INNOVATOR of other application of the tech.

And, “Passbook does the kinds of things customers need today.” TODAY? You don’t innovate/revolutionize something for today, you do it for the FUTURE.

So its sad.

And yeah, you are right, personally I hoped apple would adopt NFC by now to push the market into it. Don’t you want something as great as NFC to be a globally accepted and used tech?

:4″ display – So what ever happened to their statement before that 3.5″ is the perfect size. And why does it seems that they waited to see how people accepts the bigger screens on their competitor’s phones and see if there really is a market for it. There was no mainstream/ household use a smartphone when they announced the 1st gen iphone. But they created the market and OWNED it. They used to make the demand for something then others follow.

And this is happening less and less. That is why the iphone 5 is disappointing. Not saying it’s a bad phone or Apple sucks, but clearly something got lost.

And these are not senseless or baseless “sour graping”. They’ve officially announced the phone. I expect features they’ve mentioned and don’t for those aren’t.

And believe me, if Apple was as aggressive and forward-looking as they were before, they would have said a lot more last Sept 12th. Which brings us back to the point of the discussion: Apple is not that innovative anymore if you look at what they are offering with the iphone 5.

@ MAU I will answer your questions and give my views on all your thoughts paragraph by paragraph. Listen Miss
1.(Sony has their Experia P which has an aluminum unibody MADE by Foxconn. A lot of phones are already unibody. Never heard of HTC ONE X?)
>Yes I’ve heard of the HTC one X and held it personally as well as the Experia P and you want to know my score? Experia P is Not going for the stylish look, it still look sleek although a bit on the chunky side with its aluminum and edgy unibody. Take a look on the iphone 5 so you can compare how well it was made or read this few early reviews http://www.anandtech.com/show/6283/iphone-5-hands-on-pics-and-video , The One X is made from polycarbonate – posh plastic, basically…. Still not aluminum… and one thing more…. It’s too F****** Big to hold it in one hand! There’s a lot of Phones that uses unibody but they all lacked elegance.
2.(The A6 SOC is a re-branded Cortex A15 made by ARM which will also be used by HTC, Sony, Samsung, LG, etc under different names. It is available as dual or quad cores. Apple chose duals cores.)
>Not The same process of Cortex A15 that used by those android phones you mentioned. Reportedly, Apple has integrated two ARM Cortex A15 cores on Samsung’s 32nm LP HK+MG process. On the other hand it is never really been about how many cores or clockspeeds with them has it? It’s always about how well it works at the end of the day, and needless extra gigahertz just to compete with the clock speed rat race over at Android camp is just detrimental to the overall performance of the device.
2.(The Iphone5′s “retina display” is 326 dpi.
HTC Rezound(342), Nokia Lumia 920(331), E6(328), HTC One X (312) Huwaei Ascend (330) LG Optimus (329), 4xHD(312) & Spectrum (326), Samsung GS3 (306), etc.)
>So what is your point of enumerating all of those high PPI phones? LCDs and OLEDs are different and each manufacturer has their own unique implementation of technology these displays. Did you prove anything that anyone has used the technology that Apple had implemented to the iPhone’s Display? And wait for Displaymate’s review of the iproved retina Display of iPhone 5 so you can compare to the latest display of other phones.
3.(Apple submits their designs to OEMS for manufacturing, true. But so does everyone else. And they don’t have the best-in-class products/features/parts like they used to. Their “exclusivity” is no longer significant.)
> Apple has proven that they always used premium materials to build their phones. Site an example of a company that produces premium products mostly if not at all. Yes Samsung, Motorola, LG, Nokia and others has produced well built phones but it’s just a fraction of their crappy and cheap plastic phones they produced. Sad to know but that’s the truth!
4.(Just the fact that it does not have NFC makes it at least 1 year behind HTC and Samsung. Not to mention wireless charging and quad core SOC. And only now they “upgraded” to 4.0″ screens? )
>I quoted this from BGR “On why the iPhone 5 doesn’t have NFC, Schiller told AllThingsD, “It’s not clear that NFC is the solution to any current problem” and “Passbook does the kinds of things customers need today.” Schiller has every right to call NFC a nascent feature that has yet to have a ubiquitous presence — just ask Google (GOOG) how its Google Wallet program is doing. (Hint: Not as well as Google had hoped.)
As for why Apple isn’t pursuing wireless charging the way Nokia (NOK) is with its Lumia 820 and 920 smartphones, Schiller said that wireless charging pads still need to be plugged into a wall and offer no real convenience over attaching a standard charging cable.” Here’s the link so you can read it http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/13/iphone-5-nfc-wireless-charging-interview/

So what wrong about 4.0 Display eh? Phones should be held by one hand for ease of use and portability. Unless, you have a super sized hand and extra long fingers (which I Doubt you have) to easily reach all the extent of those 4.5” or bigger display used by others, then you can convince me to get extra large phones. Phones are phones and if you want a F****** Big Display, go get a Tablet..

5. (And this is what Blaze meant. Apple is losing their edge over their competitors. No new features in the Iphone 5 can be considered bleeding-edge and it is disappointing.)
> DISAPPOINTING? IMHO, I think a lot of Android users were hoping for NFC in the new iPhone 5 in the hope it may nudge retailers into implementing it. In that respect I appreciate why a typical Android users are so disappointed.
Just wait till the iPhone 5 is officially released before you throw some non-sense sour grapping. Try to used it first and compare to those phones that you believe it is better than the new iPhone.
And one more thing, don’t call me troll or iFan, because I own both iOS and Android. Specifically owned 3GS, i4S, iPad(3rd Gen), Xperia Arc and Galaxy SII. To tell you the truth, using Android phones are pain in the ass when it comes to overall performance. I’m talking to Android’s Buggy and Lagging UI, persistent app crashing, and unreliable stability. Plus the fact that it has the highest rate of vulnerability! Read it for your self http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/13/android-malware-2012-slow-device-updates/

@Edu
Sony has their Experia P which has an aluminum unibody MADE by Foxconn. A lot of phones are already unibody. Never heard of HTC ONE X?

The A6 SOC is a re-branded Cortex A15 made by ARM which will also be used by HTC, Sony, Samsung, LG, etc under different names. It is available as dual or quad cores. Apple chose duals cores.

The Iphone5’s “retina display” is 326 dpi.
HTC Rezound(342), Nokia Lumia 920(331), E6(328), HTC One X (312) Huwaei Ascend (330) LG Optimus (329), 4xHD(312) & Spectrum (326), Samsung GS3 (306), etc.

Apple submits their designs to OEMS for manufacturing, true. But so does everyone else. And they don’t have the best-in-class products/features/parts like they used to. Their “exclusivity” is no longer significant.

Just the fact that it does not have NFC makes it at least 1 year behind HTC and Samsung. Not to mention wireless charging and quad core SOC. And only now they “upgraded” to 4.0″ screens?

And this is what Blaze meant. Apple is losing their edge over their competitors. No new features in the Iphone 5 can be considered bleeding-edge and it is disappointing.

exactly!

Yeah, my bad.

Prior to the announcement Anandtech speculated the iPhone 5’s SoC would simply be a higher clocked version of the 32nm A5r2 used in the iPad 2,4. After all, Apple seems to like saving major architecture shifts for the iPad.

However, just prior to the announcement they received some information pointing to a move away from the ARM Cortex A9 used in the A5. Given Apple’s reliance on fully licensed ARM cores in the past, the expected performance gains and unpublishable information that started all of this they concluded Apple’s A6 SoC likely featured two ARM Cortex A15 cores.

It turns out they were wrong. But pleasantly surprised.

The A6 is the first Apple SoC to use its own ARMv7 based processor design. The CPU core(s) aren’t based on a vanilla A9 or A15 design from ARM IP, but instead are something of Apple’s own creation.

Because being first means they’re the best. Ever.
/sarcasm

WHAT IS AN I-PHONE 5?

ONLY 1 GB OF RAM?
ONLY 8 MP CAMERA?
ONLY 4″ INCHES SCREEN?
ONLY 1136 x 640 resolution

Lacks microSD slot for storage expansion

Proprietary USB connector – have to use its cable instead of a standard microUSB

how about the battery?

BIG Disappointing !

LG’s OPTIMUS G. is way better!!!

“Never expect Apple to bring in the best hardware for the latest iphone. Almost everything were already present in its competitors.”
Are you sure on what you are talking? What competitor has produced a solid unibody aluminum case that is polished like a precious jewel, or produced a A15 processor that is more advanced than any one could produced?-(I’m talking to the A6 that Apple has integrated two ARM Cortex A15 cores. The Cortex-A15 is the next major jump for the ARM architecture, which calls the core “the highest-performance licensable processor the industry has ever seen.”

pareho tayo ng ipod and thinking of a replacement too..one complaint on ipod touch i think is there are music players out there which produces better sound. compared to android and symbian, they produce better quality sound than the ipod. so i’m thinking now of the samsung galaxy player 5.8 which was recently announced. maybe i’ll try to compare when both devices are out in the market.

@Lion
Yes sir, I have used a 2010 MBP.

Macs don’t have a virus yet? Sh#t got real!
Heard of flashback.downloader? And there is the Olxy backdoor, Blackhole RAT version 2,Bancos,
FakeAVZp-B,Bckdr-RID,FakeAv-DD and CVE-2012-0507.

Last April was the hard wake-up-and-face-reality slap on all people thinking that OSX are still immune to malwares.

Apple themselves has stopped using this myth as a selling point or feature.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/operating-systems/20585/apple-finally-admits-macs-can-get-viruseswell-almost-admits-it

ANY device connected into a network; whether through local area, wide, RF, the internet, can get infected. It is stupid not to have any level of protection.

Also, any decent/modern antivirus can block, heal or quarantine a malware EVEN if you have autorun enabled.

BTW it is not the OS’s fault that there are malwares lurking in the web. Like, you can catch a flu from the person that walked pass by you today and I would not blame you or going around telling everyone it’s your fault you got infected.

I know that one of the reason Macs don’t have a virus yet is because of the market share yes. Virus developers wouldn’t make as much profit. But since we aren’t in that stage yet, Mac > Windows. I can enjoy being virus free, with peace of mind, for many more years to come.

Oh of course I know how to deal with that autorun sh*ts you can get from flash disks. But where’s the user experience on that? I can go in to technicals but the average users won’t even have a clue on how to deal with that in the first place. Again why go too much hassle? Where’s the user experience on that?

Mind you I still use both; I have a MBP and a PC running on Win 7. In fact, I’m writing this on my PC. I don’t have a anti-virus installed on this PC but what I do have is more common sense than you. Good thing your anti-virus is not “very expensive”. LOL. Again you can’t surf the internet or install applications using your PC without having the peace of mind. So for the user experience, it’s still Mac > Windows for a mile. Alright I’m done here. ;)

Oh wow how does being 2012 change the fact that there are still viruses out there for the Windoze? So what they just can’t penetrate the Windoze system all of the sudden?? So what the viruses diminished just like that? LOL. You must have a really expensive anti-virus installed in your Windozzze machine. Good job.

You know what, I can’t even insert my friend’s flash disk on to my PC without fearing for that autorun sh*t you can get from inserting those flash disks on to a *maybe* infected PC. But with a Mac? easy. pop those flash disks right in and you’re done. Nothing to worry about. You can even delete those viruses in the flash disk within the OS! I don’t even have an anti-virus installed! And that’s just talking about getting a virus through hardware. Don’t get me started about getting a virus/trojan/malware you can get online. ;)

LOL @Lion. It’s 2012 and you still get infected by PC viruses? pebkac na yan. and yes, I’ve used both and don’t give a sh*t what others use. natawa lang ako na virus ang nirereklamo mo.

And what do you mean by, “best performance ever starting from MAC/iMac?” How much does the least expensive iMac cost? $1300? Even more than that in the Philippines? Do you know what kind of PC you can configure with that amount of money?

And if your definition of simplicity and “elegantness” is a sleek, non-cluttered industrial design… there is the One S/X, GS3, Lumia series, Experia S, etc.

And to computers, haven’t you seen any ultrabooks? Vizio AIO’s? HP’s Omni 27?

“ELEGANTNESS” mag tagalog na lang kasi kung d naman ganun ka bihasa mag english, kaya lalo nababansagan na social climber. yung pera na pinambili mo ng iphone sana nag hire ka na lang ng english tutor..=)

Sorry po …. na excite lang sa mga nasasabi ……… Ferpect ka ba?….. Heheheheheh

walang word na elegantness. elegance pede pa.

I only meant that we have a lot of choices this year :-P
different OSes, different experiences for everyone. Yes, iOS and the iPhone 5 may be disappointing but we all know it will still sell @-@

Anyway,I prefer the galaxy note 2 or the motorola razr maxx hd, though lumia looks it has a lot of potential

I don’t like the new iPhone as much as the next guy but come on, kung mangba-bash ka ng product, wag naman yung mas fail ka pa kaysa sa bina-bash mo XD “a enovation”?!

“Waiting for BB10. BlackBerry FTW!”

Hahaha. Natawa ako dito ha. Let’s see if you’ll be saying the same thing a few months from now when BB finally goes bankrupt.