Bandwidth caps explained, NTC endorsed

i hate it. no freedom at all. the providers should fix themselves and not make a reason out of the problem that they themselves provide. they should not make reason out of the unlevelled usage of the subscriber.LAME! Why did the NTC bend into the providers?! ok i’ll have my near to the advertised speed. and that will make my consumption even faster thus making me meet the cap faster. so will i be happy with that?! HELL NO..the telcos should fix themselves so that they can provide what they had advertised and not bend on stupid solutions.

this memo is well suited to our mobile users… but come to think of it, how many users are really using mobile net??? does an average pinoy has an high speed ready mobile phones???dont think so…

Wow 80%. So the guaranteed “60% and up” speed I had heard from Globe numerous times whenever I called was even more bull.

My “guaranteed speed gun” is now cocked and ready to fire, I just Globe would not give me a reason to fire it.

Oh crap, I’m still hungover. Ignore me.

I think they should not be using the word “UNLIMITED” because it only complicates things. It is still false advertising and tricking people. They should have used “800MB per day” or “1.5GB per month” words in a LARGE FONT SIZE and get rid of the “UNLIMITED” thing in their ads. Abuse? Why would there be any abuse when you are paying for an unlimited connection? In the first place the TelCos should have not offered Unlimited Plans if they can’t provide decent service. It’s their problem to increase their bandwidth and satisfy their customer’s needs. If they cannot do that then DO NOT USE THE WORD UNLIMITED. If in their ads says that there is capping they SHOULD HAVE IT IN LARGE FONT SIZES so that everyone would know. They should also be conservative in publishing their speed rates and not overstate everything in favor of them.

The provision of assurance of 80 percent average speed is but a mere cloak to hide the real intent of this bill. And that is a cap! The moneyed lobbyists read telcos has obviously gained the upper hand in media including this website. Capping your bandwidth is and will never be good for the consumer period. Don’t fall into the PR trap by the telcos and NTC. Frankly I expected more from this site to champion the cause of the consumer. There is no ‘reasonable’ excuse to cap you Internet connection speed. I would encourage everyone to voice opposition to this bill no matter how seemingly good the attached provisions are.

Ang pinakaissue talaga dito eh yang word na “UNLIMITED.” Kasi kahit anong gawin natin pagbalibaligtarin man natin ang word na “UNLIMITED” eh hindi magbabago ang meaning nito kahit pa dugtungan niyo na mga technical explanations. Ang Isang Service na may capping eh hinding hindi maituturing na “UNLIMITED” pano naging unlimited ang isang service na may limit sa speed? limit sa data? Edi LIMITED na ang tawag dun…

Para walang problema tanggaling ng mga TelCos ang UNLIMITED sa lahat ng ads nila tska mga brochures…

Yes, I agree that the telcos should not use the word UNLIMITED to sell their service and when the service is cut because of so-called ABUSE, they tell the consumer to read the FINE PRINT! UNLIMITED means NO LIMIT, LIMITLESS, NO BOUNDS!! If there is a cap, they should print/show it in BIG, BOLD LETTERS!

Dapat ang nakalagay sa ads ng mga Telcos

“Subscribe now to Plan A for Only P999.00 a month with a MINIMUM SPEED OF AS LOW AS 512KBPS CAPPED @ 800MB PER DAY.” Dapat yung pinakamalaking font size possible ang ilagay nila katulad nung mga nilalagay nila sa “Unlimited at Up To” Ads nila.

This is totally bad for power users like me

I don’t experience any capping in my Postpaid SuperSurf via iPhone internet tethering. Most of my download source is Hotfile premium. I still get the advertise speed up to 3Mbps. My average download in a day is about 15GB.

If Smart Bro do this bullsh*t, I’m not gonna extend my subscription to them.

No to capping, tech support ako sa at&t dsl wala naman capping dun, tska mas mura ang plans nila pagconvert sa peso. telco companies are abusing consumers letting them pay extra for the bandwidth. Dapat focus ng NTC is to obligate ang mga telco companies to improve their servers. Di tulad sa US fiber optics na sila meron sila 30mbps speeds sa dsl.

“I don’t like the idea of putting caps but I’m okay with it as long as it’s a reasonable one.” – Yuga.

Personally I don’t think there’s such a thing as reasonable capping when it comes to internet connectivity. Especially now that net connection is slowly becoming a communication necessity.

Think about it, if your cable tv subscription is capped just because your neighbor watched TV more than you do.

I find it funny that NTC would claim the memorandum as only a ‘draft’ and that they are open to suggestions. THIS is why consumers should always be vigilant with their government. If no one reacts, this so called draft would become the law.

I understand that this site might be or in the future be beholden to advertisers in the telco industry. But come one now, if this site can’t side with the consumers on this issue, at least hold off making shallow biases toward the telcos.

Again, no to capping AND no to ‘reasonable capping’.

it all boils down to one thing… stop false advertising… so we, the consumers can choose which plan is best for us and which ISP provides more value for our money….

btw AT&T is in US, which has a much better network structure that can cater to more users. Of course they could charge lower. Here in the Philippines only PLDT controls the flow of data, and the others are just re-sellers.

Think before you compare.

CApping. Hmm. There is more to this. First, these ISPs should be VERY transparent with their FUPs, capping etc. Also, there must be an accurate or reliable way for users to track their bandwidth consumption. Also, the term “unlimited” should not be used as well.

In a worst case scenario, ISPs could cap or throttle all they want, but what about the quality of service they provide? I mean, I am sure everyone here has experienced not getting the speed they are paying for, right? And what happens when we don’t get it? Report it to their CSRs? Sadly, mostly nothing happens when we complain to these ISPs. Consumer rights??

Patay na! pati si Smart naki join na sa CAPPING scheme. lagot na kawawa naman pinas hindi pa nga nakakatikim ng more than 10 Mbps yung mga average users capped na agad. Ahahayz

I’m not opposed to the draft. What is important is that NTC or the ISP can provide a tool for us to monitor our bandwidth, serve as a reference over our usage. That way, they can’t reason us out if we go over our limit.

This draft memo is beneficial to consumers who don’t stress the bandwidth of network, and further give them options to have a much cheaper plans because of it. If we can provide cheaper plans, like 500 for 10GB/month at 1Mb/s is quite a feat. In the end, it doesn’t prevent freedom of information, it makes it more accessible to many.

What should be done is to have a bucket and Unlimited plan. Offer the bucket for casual users at cheaper price and offer the Unlimited plan for premium for heavy users. Business plan are exempted on this or should be given 100GB or more cap. Corporate plans and lease lines are, of course, exempted.

I think were going to where Canada is right now. I think residential wired DSL should have a minimum cap of 100GB per month, not 30GB. But then again, that’s just me and my vast collection of HD anime. But in the end of the day, everybody will receive fast and reliable internet. I’m good with that.

to use an LRT analogy. Long lines and crowded trains.

Correct solution : get more coaches and establish more lines

solution after bribing the gov’t : bawal sumakay ng more than twice a day

ABSOLUTELY NO TO CAPPING!!!
Paano na
yung mga gamers,
nakikinig ng online radio,
video watchers.
VOIP,
Information hungry individuals…..
This is STUPIDITY!
Hindi tayo mag-evolve nyan! Paurong tayo hindi pasulong…
Somebody save us!

We are the talking about capping and consumption of our ISP’s, but how high can you get for a Month.

Here’s I have a almost 20GB limit per month on my PLDT DSL

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Take a look at this webpage for Globe’s Supersurf: http://site.globe.com.ph/prepaid_services/super_surf?sid=TRvl0suxpRcAAAptqA4AAABCe

It clearly says UNLIMITED surfing, without any reference whatsoever to any capping. No link to their fair user policy.

With regards to the guaranteed speeds, doesn’t faster speeds mean you’d just reach the cap faster?

Does that mean if I get bandwidth below 80% my subscribed speed I could sue them? Hmmm… interesting… hehehehehe

False advertising. PERIOD. Somebody should bring this to court.

Yup but usually once a law pases on philippines its very hard to regulate it usually big companies or people with huge amount of money can get away with it. i subscribed to globe speak and surf before.. the first 2 months was ok .. then next months was disaster, i couldnt surf , i cant do out going calls, , then i keep calling globe, but they couldnt do a thing. the thing is im in their lock in period..so i have to complete my subscription. at my 6th month i return the item.. and i demanded i wont pay for the service, i should even get a refund for the 4 months of lousy service, instead they charge me a pretermination fee, and blacklist from globe… errr. wtf.. i walkout of the shop and didn,t even bother with globe.. see how big company get away with it ? could i sue them ? i dont think so.. then few weeks later i just walkby and saw a lot of people lined up with angry speak n surf subscribers .. wasted my time and credibility

@mark…nice thinking

puro profit lang nasa utak ng corporate world. Wala man lang ‘customer delight’ approach. Hindi porke necessity ang mga products and services niyo, puro peso sign ang mata niyo.

Instead of calling them TOP 10 COMPANIES,
call them 10 MOST SELFISH companies.

i agree, dapat kumikilos tayo sa pag-lobby sa mga government agencies. But then again, im sure corporate world, government and MEDIA will label me as “militant”.

THIS IS BULL CRAP! 25GB per month is not enough! People working online will suffer. Online Gamers, Facebook addicts. Good luck. NTC should ask the ISPs to upgrade the FUCKd up system they have. Not allowing ’em to put caps. I thought NTC and the gov’t is for the people. Why are they allowing the ISP to abuse and milk us?

Capping internet usage is truly a backwards decision. I do understand that the NTC considered alternatives in view of fairness, but they also need to put in perspective the development of our country especially in todays age of information. This is not a good proposition.

@yuga

That’s more of a speed cap than a bandwidth cap. And we already have speed caps.

The Mang Inasal analogy for bandwidth cap is not how someone asks 100 cups in one go, but rather when you get to 30 cups they suddenly stop serving you any more rice until the next day despite the promotion being ‘unlimited’. That is what we need to watch for with our internet.

@Paul
Globe’s wired plans have bandwidth caps listed in the user agreement for new customers. Check out a copy of Globe’s new Terms of Services for DSL users

Same with Night, as long as the cap is very high.

Take for example PLDT watchpad streaming: on my MBP it went through 2 GB of bandwidth in 3 hours. That doesn’t take into account the 1 GB spent on uploading since PLDT watchpad is a P2P client. If the monthly bandwidth cap is 25 GB I’d blow through it in less than two weeks just from PLDT watchpad alone.

@lolipown

Oh, shucks, didn’t know that. Do they also advertise Globe DSL as unlimited? I checked their website and it doesn’t say.

I think ang kailangan gawin ng NTC is iforce ang mga TelCos to provide more bandwidth to accommodate all the users. Ooffer offer sila ng Unlimited at tanggap lang sila ng tanggap ng mga subscriber kahit na alam nila na may congestion na kasalanan nila yan. Sila ang dapat magadjust. Kahit ano pang sabihin nila UNLIMITED IS UNLIMITED. Kung may cap DAPAT ILAGAY NILA SA ADS NILA LIMITED INTERNET CONNECTION para matapos na lahat ng to. NO TO FALSE ADVERTISING!!! Kung hindi kaya iprovide ang unlimited wag ioffer tapos.

agree with the bandwidth cap and speed cap, along with clear pricing terms & conditions.

Better see the real picture than being told of “unlimited”.

look at credit card versus cash prices

I predict isp’s will use the same loophole to continue using the word unlimited in their ads and to avoid being investigated

what if they offer a plan : “unlimited @ 512kbps” then in the fine print “with bonus up to 1 mbps for the first 10 gigs”. Then if you get lower than 512kbps 80% of the time they will say, we are not covered by the 80% MO of the NTC since that is not a “capped” plan, its a plan with “bonus speed”

world wide web exists because its main goal is to become a “pool of information” and that was the reason why tim-berners lee, the inventor of world web, created www.

then, these telcos are going to stop the real purpose of the world wide web? what the hell?!

world wide web is for everyone but these telcos want to own them for their own sake?

bandwidth caps simply defeat the purpose of having the world wide web!

say “no” to bandwidth caps! say “yes” to information freedom!

damn, all to those who want to stop us from making the www a better place!

hahaha mauutak tlga mga telcos na yan. kaso anong magagawa natin? kahit naman isumpa natin sila, o magrally tyo o maghunger strike e hindi mababago yan eh…..kung lahat ng telcos dito sa pinas may ganyan, anong choice natin? wag na lang tayo mag-internet para hindi maapektuhan ng capping capping na yan. ayos db?

hindi naman tayo kawalan sa mga companies na yan. kaso pag wala sila, wala nmn magbibigay sa atin ng serbisyo. so…. wag na nga lang maginternet! haha

@ yuga unlited rice in mang inasal is truely unlimited kung maubusan man sila ng rice u have to wait for a minutes and the unlimited is still there unlike sa globe unlisurf disconect and dnt wait kc stop na ung subcription mo. sorry sir yuga not agree in your logic.dnt used word unlimited if not apply happy new year to all

sign the online petition against the cap. not sure if this is 100% free though

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/broadbandcap/

This thing makes me sick, I’m a Steam User, How am I suppose to buy games from Steam with this bandwidth cap? Ang papahirapan lang ako magdownload ng legit files? how about skype users na malakas din sa bandwidth? when you reached the cap, everything stops? asan na yun binabayad mo monthly? are we not paying?
dapat maisip din to ng NTC, Cloud computing is the future of internet, and we aint going back to stone age(or dial-up age)
I don’t use p2p, because its a waste of time and electricity, and now i would say, it would be also a waste of bandwidth when this thing happened.

TEKA NGA?!

bakit ang NTC kinakampihan ang mga ISP e samantalang ang ISP dapat ang sumunod sa gobyerno?!

wala bang mga bayag yang mga taga NTC na parusahan at iupgrade ang pagbutihin ang serbisyo nila?! kapag negosyante ka… dapat inanticipate nila ang demand at supply! inuuto lang nila mga taga NTC!

Hoi Yuga! try mo mg.work sa mga Telcos natin. Para malaman mo gaano ka congested ang servers ng ISP. Binayaran ka ba ng mga ISPs? You can’t fool us fool!

common sense. ang paggamit nila ng word na unlimited eh sa time base. hindi siya limited ng 20 pesos per 1 hour, like sa mga rine-register na promo. o sa mga shop.. ung unlimited internet, like surf anytime u want at the same price.

ibang usapin ung sa bandwidth. hindi applicable sa bandwidth ung term ng mga telco na unlimited. so technically, may false advertising issue nga d2.

but u cant expect regular non-techie people na maintindihan ang bandwidth. so pwede isama nalang sya sa terms and conditions. I dont think effective syang ilagay sa main advertising lines.

but who know. like wi-tribe, very honest sila sa capping. they even include it sa mga flyers nila.it might sound awkward, pero atleast walang pwedeng masumbat sa kanila.

I oppose this capping MO. As a heavy internet user, how can I watch or download my favorite games,movies and music (either legit or pirated).

There are alot of YouTube users and a single 15min video in 360p will be like up to 100MB (depends on compression). Imagine if we only have up to 800MB per day or 25GB per month? The MO of having a p2p tracking system would be good but you need to get btguard or similar services for you to enjoy P2P downloading.

I hope that this will not be implemented and Filipinos will enjoy using the internet that they want. NTC should stick to bigger projects that would help the telecommunications industry.

Teka nga–why should the telcos care about how much data I receive per month, if the data comes in at the rate I subscribed to? I pay for 1mbps so my speed is capped. Now they wanna cap how much I use my account, too? No way. This misguided policy is a godsend for congressmen and senators who want to strike a populist stand & I think I’ll write some of them.

I only have one question.
Why would any of you give our ISP’s more control?

IMAGINE KUNG UNLIMITED YUNG BANDWIDTH, TINGIN NIYO LAHAT MAKAKAGAMIT? HINDI RIN DIBA..

it all equates to this: OUR TELCOS AT THE MOMENT DON’T HAVE THE ENOUGH FACILITIES TO CATER ALL THE DEMANDS FOR THE SERVICES, SO THEY DON’T HAVE A CHOICE LEFT BUT TO IMPLEMENT THE CAPPING SYSTEM.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THEY HAVE TO ADJUST THOUGH, LIKE THE FLAWS IN ADVERTISEMENTS AND CUSTOMER EDUCATION, BUT MORE THAN THAT, I CANT THINK OF ALTERNATIVES..

BUT JUST TO IMPROVE THEIR FACILITIES.
OR LOWERING THE PRICES MAY DO..

@gg
“OUR TELCOS AT THE MOMENT DON’T HAVE THE ENOUGH FACILITIES TO CATER ALL THE DEMANDS FOR THE SERVICES,”

It’s unethical to sell something you can provide. If they have not the capacity why are they still selling?

Sir yuga, mejo naguluhan lang ako. Am i correct na once i reached my cap, i am moving to a lower speed since i am being transfer to another line? Unlimited but but get lower speeds when i reached my cap similar to what wi-tribe implements? Thanks!

customer: pabili ng isang litrong premium gas. eto ang 51 pesos ko

gas attendant: sorry ser, madami kaming customer and ayaw namain gumastos para mag hire ng mas madaming tanker trucks and mag tayo ng bagong gas storage tank so sa 51 pesos, mabibigyan ko kayo ng 0.6 liters

customer : #$!@$@ you!!!

Let’s stop it with the Mang Inasal and the unlimited rice example. Let’s all read and understand the NTC draft again and not get mislead. The service reliability (as quoted by Yuga himslef) is computed from the the number of hours in a day where the bandwidth was at the “acceptable” minimum bandwidth level divided by number of hours in a day the connection was used.

If I am connected or trying to connect through what’s supposed to be my 1 Mbps broadband connection for 8 hours a day, going through some on-line video learning course and downloading instructional material. However, with in those 8 hours, what’s supposed to be a 1 Mbps connection is only able to provide me 512 kbps for 7 hours. And that 1 remaining hour, my connection was completely down.

If the NTC declares that the “minimum accepatable bandwidth for my 1 Mbps connection is in fact 512 kbps, THEN THE SERVICE RELIABILITY I HAVE EXPERIENCED WITH IN THOSE 8 HOURS IS 87.5% ( 7 out of the 8 hours I was supposed to be connected, with all 7 of those hours I was being “serviced” acceptably by my provider).

Computing for the average bandwidth provided to me by the telco though:

((512 kbps x 7 hours) + ( 0 kbps x 1 hour))/ 8 hours

= 448 kbps average connection speed over 8 hours, and again according to the NTC, IT’S STILL ACCEPTABLE.

I just hope people would see what kind of BS these telcos and the NTC are trying to give us.

just a proof that almost everything that exists around us is for profit of somebody and is for their effin’ gain… NTC is BS if they will decide to agree with the telco’s capping our bandwidth… this is clear money making scheme…

@Roy

So you’re saying that it’s OK for you to ONLY use the internet 8hrs per day even if you’re paying for unlimited internet service? YOU FCKNG IMPOSSIBLE DUDE! or YOU’RE JUST PLAIN STUPID!

@yugabehonest

I think Roy was just giving a sample computation on how many bandwith you will consume if you use 8 hours a day with the promised 80% speed cap. So what more pag more than 8 hours ka gumamit diba?

Dammit. I’m out of a job if the cap affects my work on oDesk.

@lolipown

what’s unethical is how they present and advertise their services.

again ang problema d2 e ung misleading na salitang “unlimited”

bat pa sila nagooffer? kasi business? gus2 mo ba wala ng telco d2 na magoffer d2 ng internet service??

again dont be delusional. WERE LIVING IN A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY, WHERE EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE TO OUR ECONOMIC STATUS.

KUNG MANGSISISI KAU, SIGE SISIHIN NIYO ANG MGA CORRUPT NA OFFICIALS. HAHA.. GOOD LUCK THOUGH.

@yugabehonest,

please read the post again. If you still don’t get my point, it’s that the 80% Reliability for a 1 Mbps connection according to the NTC memo DOES NOT always equate to what yuga says will be an 800 kbps average connection speed.

but i dont blame you yugabehonest if you didn’t get it, trolls aren’t really known for their reading comprehension skills. ;)

@gg: there can be no fairness if they don’t want to expand their bandwidth capacity but instead cram all their subscriber into their measly bandwidth.

they can monitor our usage, but can we monitor their capacity to provide fair service?

it seems that the philippines will not see the future of cloud computing anymore with this bandwidth caps…

these telcos offer their services horribly in some areas and yet they have the guts to make bandwidth caps happen…shame to those telcos!

“god knows who does not pay.”

We should be given the option to terminate our contract if this CAPPING should happen.Bili na lang ako nung “BUCKET meal” every now and then kesa magbayad ng 2k for DSL.

They playing with fire here.And Im sure it will back fire on their face.

@JayM
Not only for wireless connections but also those areas who suffer from low internet speeds like some provinces

i mean Globe is practicing bandwidth distribution… (not telecos, i dont know how things work on other teleco)

@fragglerocker
that’s true. some of the areas here in the philippines still experience “dial-up speeds” on their broadband. telcos advertisements are way too misleading to those unfortunate broadband users who only get dial-up speeds.

shame to those telcos who do not strive in helping those poor areas. all they want is earning big money while spending less. how shameful…

reasonable capping? who decides what’s reasonable?

the telcos are not investing into infrastructure and facilities to upgrade our Internet connections to the levels being enjoyed by our Korean, Singaporean, and Japanese neighbors.

as long as their service is poor and unreliable, they have no right to cap our use of the Internet. it is akin to censorship.

the NTC is supposed to protect the citizens, not to play to the telco’s whims.

What Cruz Tupaz is saying is correct.
It may be akin to censorship..

For me, the other reason of broadband capping is for internet censorship in the Philippines. This can be the first stage then other plans until this reaches the internet blackout. If NTC approves the MO, this will be the stage where Internet connection prices will be like the ones in Myanmar. The Philippines is a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, not a Communist country or a country on Military Junta.

I hope that the people of NTC will be replaced by better and competent people who protects the rights of consumers and they are not in the favor of telcos or broadcasting companies.

One more classic case of abuse by telcos, smart in particular.

If you register for unli surf wether its one day or multiple days. If you browse facebook, you will get slapped an automatic deduction/charge of 20pesos for unlifacebook20. even if you did not register for it, coz you shouldn’t have to having registered/activated unlimited surfing. Double jeopardy for consumers, not so good service na nga you get charged double/extra pa …

Haayyyy sana NTC thinks doubly hard about their recent ruling in the area of SLAs.

@cruz tupaz
hah nailed it. This is the reason why old people in office should die out really soon. Harsh yes but we need lawmakers who understand technology better than those simply clamoring it’s for your own good.

Seriously, how can you claim it’s for the people’s good if you have no idea how things work.

unfortunately, one has to accept the fact that its a 3rd world country infrastracture setting

grabe talaga ang kasibaan ng mga telcos dito sa ‘pinas!!!
nagta-trabaho yung mga tao ng matino, kumikita sila ng matino, nagbabayad sila ng matino tapos ganon lang ang serbisyo ng mga telcos…nakakahiya naman talaga, mga bulok na telcos!

tignan lang natin kung madadala ng mga telcos na yan yung mga pera nila kapag namatay sila…mga wala silang konsensya, hindi sila marunong magbalik ng “utang na loob” sa mga customer nila na nagbabayad ng matino.

kinikita namin yung pera namin ng matino para lang maipambayad lang sa serbisyo nyo tapos bulok lang yung ibibigay nyo sa amin?

ano ba yang mga telcos na yan?
negosyante o manggagantso?

2011 na, hindi pa rin nagbabago yung serbisyo (perwisyo) nyo!!!

mas masahol pa kayo sa mga kriminal dito sa ‘pinas!

Hindi tamang icompare ang internet usage sa unlimited rice ng mang inasal kasi maraming pagkakaiba, una walang taong oorder ng 100 rice, at obviously hindi naman sasapat yun para sa isang pirasong inihaw.

Nakakahiya naman na umorder ng ganoong karaming kanin. Hindi naman kayang kainin ng isang tao ang 100 cup of rice.

isipin ninyo, kung super capped/mahal ang kuryente during the 1950’s noong nag dedevelop pa lang ang bansa, sure ball na madaming mga technological inventions ay di magiging sikat kasi masyado malakas sa kuryente like refrigerator, washing machine, electric iron, microwave, etc etc.

going back further, noong “capped” ang kotse kasi mahal and kakaunti ang ginagawa, ang kotse treated as toy ng mayaman. Noong dumating ang “uncapped” model T (cheap and madaming supply) pati mga middle class nagkaroon ng kotse and alam nyo kung gaano ka importante ang kotse (kasama jeepney and bus) sa buhay ngayon, hindi na laruan kundi isang necessity

same thing sa internet. Madaming mga services like VOIP, tele-surgery, tele-teaching, video on demand, youtube, digital downloads, etc ay di na lalago

in English, suppressing innovation due to limited supply

I humbly disagree, yugatech.

1. If you’ve seen the caps imposed in Canada, the US, and elsewhere, they don’t help improve the service. At all.

2. the M.O. still insists on best effort speed by the Telcos, /while/ raising caps. So there is no guarantee of speed.

3. there is no mention of minimum speed. They leave it to the telcos to decide what minimum speed is. Likewise the size of the cap.

4. I’m a free market guy, but this is one of those instances where government must lay down the basic law. Lay down the parameters. the proposed M.O. does not do that.

5. There are numerous studies conducted for example by the Korean Communication Commission, the world bank that say, Broadband is important to raise productivity and ergo leads to GDP growth. What the NTC and the government at large is saying there is no overall general plan to encourage our telcos to keep reinvesting.

6. Fundamentally, it is an economic problem, and not a technical problem. Technology exists to make speed and reliability a non-issue. It is the economics of it that we all contend with.

7. Market study by Yahoo-Nielsen determined that 0 to 5 percent increase in mobile internet use happened because telcos gave very good prices on their mobile offerings.

8. Yahoo-Nielsen also determined that 69 percent of Internet users in the philippines is in Internet cafes. So the majority of internet users are there.

9. The broadband cap isn’t fair in that it is only favorable to the telcos. There is nothing in the proposed memorandum order that the consumer can say, ok, we can get a better deal out of it.

10. The World Bank study by Bocchi determined that the philippines is a low capital investment country. Meaning, industries don’t reinvest as much because they are making money off the status quo. the key is to get them to reinvest.

@yuga re free market

On that we can both agree on.

We’re missing the point here.

The telcos are not doing this to improve service or update their network. this is just a way to increase their earnings.

With caps in place they can sign up more people without actually needing to upgrade their network.

The main thing that has changed in the past year is the increase of normal communication channels facilitated through the internet: chat, video calling, FB, twitter, etc.

all these items used to run through the telcos in one form or another: voice calls, texting, etc.

Now they find that all their income generating services are being run through their ISP service which they had promoted as “unlimited” resulting in loss of revenue for the company.

instead of using the gains to increase service viability, it will only be used to increase the number of users so that they can generate more income to offset the loss of other channels.

mmm……guys, just work harder this 2011 and earn more money so any price increase the Telcos will impose will be peanuts. Or better yet, cut down on Facebook, Youtube and bit torrent nonensene so you can earn more money. :)

sa nakikita ko at nabasa sa mga sinabi nyo, ang may malaking problema lang dito at talagang apektado ay yung mga taong adik sa online games, facebook and video/audio streaming… sa mga katulad namin na tunay na nagta-trabaho gamit ang internet technology walang gaano epekto ito… pero nadadamay lang kami…

sa mga totoong internet working-class heroes, sa mga sysads, network admins, developers/programmers, project leads, MIS/IT/ICT personnel and techs, mabuhay tayong lahat…!!!

sa mga kunyaring nagtatrabaho lang at kunyari busy sa pag-facebook at online games, maghanap kayo ng ibang pagkakaabalahan at mapaglilibangan nyo…!!! mabgbasa kayo ng libro para naman magkalaman ang utak nyo..!!! huwag nyong sayangin ang mga kapakipakinabang na resources sa mga walang kwentang bagay!

The danger with the memo actually is the lack of specifics with regard to the bandwidth cap. If telcos wish to maximize their profits, they can even limit it to as low as 100MB per day.

If you give the leeway to the telcos to control their own bandwidth cap, we’re not moving in the right direction here. If we propose a policy, it should be for the benefit of everyone, both companies and subscribers.

i guess bucket system or capping is not based on what will be the throughput, the real issue is what the teleco want, to limit max allowable latency per month. like in an instance if you are subscribed to 1mbps, your max will be 30gb/month. i guess that is what they wanted. But the problem on our side most probably is the download rate like for 1mb we are only getting 60-70% of it. how would they implement capping if they dont give the right service to the end-user and not advertising it correctly? they should let end-user know. let see if how many users will they get xD

ahaha, kulang na lang ay i-cap ng meralco ang kuryente na pwede nating gamitin!!! ‘yon ang mas nakakatakot!!!

@isonski
ano kaya kung i-cap ng government ang pagkain dito sa ‘pinas? pati yung hangin na hinihinga natin? yung tubig? yung kinikita natin?

ganon lang kas-simple ‘yon…kung may pakialam ka sa nangyayari concerned ka. kung wala, manhid ka!

ano kaya kung i-cap ng mga magulang mo ang oras na pwede kang gumamit ng pc or mag-masturbate, anong pakiramdam?

eh kung i-cap ng pharmaceutical store ang gamot na bibilhin mo para sa malala mong sakit?

cap means limitation…

isonski is a prime of example of a dumbass douchebag lmao. Since you seem to have no idea what the cap means to people doing proper things online, stfu and gtfo.

@isonski
go play with your dick you dumbass!
if you don’t care about us people who’s gonna sufer from these caps, blow yourself off…you selfish fool!

how unfortunate is it to actually live here with this kind of system.

everyone has stressed enough their point and i couldn’t agree more. bandwidth capping is not the answer to internet speed problems.

this is just plain bull. an excuse to get more money from consumers.

May magagawa tayo dito about sa
issue na to mga tol yung mga may
account sa Social networking like
Twitter Facebook or even sa mismong
site ng mga network, batikusin natin
ang NTC sa mga palpak nilang idea. Ang dapat nilang gawin ay iimprove
nila mga equiptment and installation
nila hindi yung mga nanahimik na
network consumers. Puro kasi
pangungurakot inaatupag ng mga
hinayupak na to eh. . Lets go guys!!!

@mister kunat
oh good, I can stuff him up and display him next to my barney collection :)

@lolipown
that made me laugh so hard. too bad i can’t include him to my “flinstones caveman action figures” LOL!

Ka INUTILAN ang mga alam nila. lol

PAPANSIN sila kabastusan. kaya lalo tayo nalalate when it comes to technology! please naman kahit minsan umangat tayo! sus.

lok at this pic which compares price per 1mbps around the world for major countries

http://www.billshrink.com/blog/5787/internet-penetration-costs/

unfortunately the big version of the pic is down. my dsl gives me 1 mbps (in fairness 1.3mbps) for 1000 pesos or around $23 a month. That puts me off the scale since the scale only goes up to $20 a month per mbps. #1 is japan with $0.27 per 1 mbps

[quote]SmartBro, Smart’s wireless broadband service – through its wholly-owned subsidiary Smart Broadband, Inc. – continued to expand as its wireless broadband subscriber base grew 71% to
reach 596,000 as at end-March 2009, 183,000 of which were on SmartBro’s prepaid service.
Wireless broadband revenues grew 40% to P1.3 billion, a significant improvement over the P 919 million recorded in the first quarter of 2008. [/quote]

[quote]Retail DSL continued its strong performance as broadband subscribers grew by over 38,000 to 471,000 at the end of March 2009 from 433,000 at the end of 2008. PLDT DSL generated P1.6 billion in revenues in the first quarter of 2009, up 27% from P1.3 billion in the same period in 2008, accounting for about 50% of the PLDT Group’s broadband and internet revenues for the year. [/quote]

http://www.firstpacific.com/admin/upload/media/press/ep090505.pdf

nalulugi ang smart bro and pldt dsl?

@isonski
* sorry this is OT *
kung ganyan ka mag-isip makasarili ka .

Dapat upgrade muna ng mga Telco’s yung system nila before doing this, hinde pa nga nila naayos NGN buong metro manila (PLDT), rampant disconnection on internet while raining or worst no net connection (GLOBE). Sana wag matuloy to .. :(

Don’t be stupid, capping is bad. 25 Gigs? That’s like 3 Steam games, that doesn’t even include the bandwidth spent on browsing/streaming.

Plus what’ll happen to webmasters/freelancers, I’m pretty sure that they download/upload huge amounts of files.

Wait what? You’re saying I/they/we should switch to a higher data plan? LOL PLDT is overpriced as it is I highly doubt that switching is a viable alternative.

Anyway capping is stupid, people who can barely use the computer shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions regarding the internet.

like my globe wimax getting capped at 15th day the problem is that the .300 kbps speed when capped is not also stable rather at most time speed test ranging form 150 kbps to 250 kbpss only, a month with out download just full facebook and youtube at maximum of
16 hours usage a day, even doing assignment is difficult at 150 kbps

ganito kabobo ang mga engineer ng mga telecomm.. indi sila competitive, tumatakas sa problema pinapasa sa mga subscriber ang problema nila.. tau tuloy ang ngsa-suffer.. nagbabayad tau ng sapat., pero ang service nila di sapat.. kung my bandwidth capping, dapat payment capping din.. kung ang Php999 1Mbps mo ay bumaba ng 800kbps, dapat dapat bumaba din ng 80% ang payment mo at less pa di d2 ang capacity per month mo. tae..

@Emman:

siguro nga tama ka, in a way, kasi nga hindi naman magcacapping ang nga isp’s kung hndi rin approved ng board…

i reached my bandwidth cap on my 2nd month of subscription and we have a lock-in period of 1 yr..my question is, is there a chance na makalabas from the bucket system? let say after a month of suffering?

@Iho

Ideally they should do that but if they do that they can get less subscribers. Less subs = less money

WHAT A FUCK EXPLANATION IS THIS…every Internet connection is already capped.. that’s why every subscriber has an allocated internet bandwidth according to their subscription..what a fuck comparing this internet to an eat all you can..a subscription is not like eat all yo can that you get anything yet just leaving it on the table that’s why you are charge for it..internet speed is not like that ..if you have a 1mb subscription you only can get a maximum of it to that speed but you could never be over to your subscription..that means you could not affect other users on the net work because you maximum consumption is based on your subscription ,,then how can you say that somebody is over getting than others?

A paid troll working for the two telcos!