There’s been a lot of news lately about the announcement of the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) to go after online sellers. This is because a lot of the ones doing purely online retail may not be applying the standard duties on sales like VAT.
Commissioner Henares has been stressing that they are looking for ways to be able to monitor and collect taxes from online retailers. For one, the usual government bureaucracy of putting up a brick-and-mortar business can be easily bypassed when you do it purely online (you can skip the building permit, mayor’s permit, etc.).
Let’s be clear first that whether it’s offline or online, generating revenue/income from selling products or services is taxable. There’s nothing new that will be introduced. It’s more like enforcing what’s already there.
The closest analogy that I can think of is jaywalking. Anybody who jaywalks can be penalized; it’s already imposed a long time ago. However, there are streets that are not monitored by MMDA so when people crosses that street, they don’t get penalized. Now, the MMDA is saying they will start monitoring those streets that people used to jaywalk all the time because nobody was looking.
Anyway, to give you a better perspective of the difference between brick-and-mortar retailing (those stores in the mall) and online selling, let’s look at an example.
Take for example the Galaxy S3. My sources tell me that the distributor cost of the unit is around Php16,000USD 273INR 23,114EUR 260CNY 1,986 only. If the suggested retail price is Php32,000USD 545INR 46,227EUR 519CNY 3,971, you subtract the 12% VAT and you are left with Php28,571USD 487INR 41,274EUR 464CNY 3,546 (while the Php3,429USD 58INR 4,954EUR 56CNY 426 is remitted to BIR at the end of the month).
Here’s what we think is the estimate computation:
Suggested Retail Price: Php32,990USD 562INR 47,657EUR 535CNY 4,094
Less:
VAT — Php3,535USD 60INR 5,107EUR 57CNY 439
Unit Cost — Php16,000USD 273INR 23,114EUR 260CNY 1,986
Gross Revenue: Php13,455USD 229INR 19,437EUR 218CNY 1,670
Less:
Operating Expenses (@ 30%): Php4,037USD 69INR 5,832EUR 66CNY 501
Income (before Taxes): Php9,418USD 160INR 13,605EUR 153CNY 1,169
Business Tax (30% of Income): Php2,825USD 48INR 4,081EUR 46CNY 351
Net Income: Php6,593USD 112INR 9,524EUR 107CNY 818
The amount of Php6,593USD 112INR 9,524EUR 107CNY 818 is the estimated income per unit sold if this was a regular retail store in the mall.
When we look at the same for an online store, it should look the same. The biggest difference would be the operating expenses (OPEX) which might be lower than our estimated 30%.
However, if all else is the same but we remove the tax incidence, we are looking at Php6,360USD 108INR 9,188EUR 103CNY 789 in savings. If all of these savings are passed on to the customer, then we are looking at an online price of Php26,630USD 454INR 38,470EUR 432CNY 3,305.
This is where the mall price and the online price differ. This is the single biggest reason why mall retailers cannot compete with the prices of online retailers.
What if the BIR was so strict and it runs after the online sellers and ask them to pay taxes? The most logical step is for the sellers to tuck those taxes into the price of the unit.
That would mean that our computation above would revert back to the highest mall price. If the online sellers want to be more competitive, they might lower their retail price a bit. They would normally get this from the savings they get from doing the selling purely online (that’s less rent, bills, etc). So instead of our 30% estimated opex, it could be just 15% (Php2,018USD 34INR 2,915EUR 33CNY 250).
They could then pass on that savings to the customer for a little lower retail price.
Then again, the online sellers would look at this situation differently. They would stick to their usual pricing, keep the little margins that they get from selling way below SRP, and pray hope that the BIR would not go after them for not declaring any sales.
Otherwise, if they abide by the norm and pay the respective dues (and at the same time stick to their competitive pricing), I don’t think there would be any income left after paying VAT and business tax. In some cases, I would even think they’d lose money altogether. This is where a lot of the resentment by online sellers come from.
Worse comes worst, the online sellers to cave in and start selling their products at almost the same price as the ones in the malls.
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Ish says:
Masarap magbayad ng tax kapag may nakikita kang pinag-gagamitan nun na napakikinabangan talaga ng mamamayan. Pero kung wala, nakakainis lang na makabasa ng mga ganyan.
mindy says:
bakit ka maiinis? hindi ba tama lang na ang pamahalaan mo na tinutustusan mo ng buwis mo ay ipinapatupad rin ng tama ang mga batas natin sa buwis?
ibang usapin kung paano ginagastos ang buwis natin. ang akin lang, ang tama at kumpletong buwis ay dapat bayaran ng lahat ng pilipino o dayuhang naninirahan sa pilipinas.
Ish says:
Maiinis dahil magbabayad ka ng tama nang buwis, na hindi naman napupunta sa tamang bagay. Wag nating itanggi yan. Kitang kita naman kahit sabihin nating walang kongkretong ebidensya.
nico says:
Nakakainis man o hindi, bilang mamamayan, tungkulin natin na mag bayad ng buwis kahit na feeling natin ay wala itong napupuntahan.
Tungkulin din natin na i-elect ang mga tamang tao na ilalagay sa puwesto sa gobyerno at tungkulin din natin mag reklamo sa kinauukulan kung nakikita natin na ang lider natin ay walang ginagawa. Hindi lahat pwede iasa sa gobyerno. Bilang mamamayan, may tungkulin din tayo sa bansang ito.
ryan says:
no government can run with out proper taxation. Mura pa nga tax d2 stin eh. mas mahal pa sa ibang bansa. yun lang pag pasok mo sa hospital at pag labas. thank you lang ok na.
cesar says:
ibigay kay cesar ang dapat kay cesar. magbayad ng tamang buwis! wala ka pake kung gamitin ng govt sa tama o hindi. basta tayo gumagawa ng tama sa pagbayad ng tamang buwis. daming idiot dito.
booboo says:
Hindi naman ikaw ang pupunta sa BIR para magbayad. Bakit ka maiinis? Hahaha! Kung gusto mong mabilisan ang effect ng taxes na binabayaran mo eh baka dapat taasan natin ang buwis. Tandaan: hindi lahat ng buwis napupunta sa infrastructure na madalas hindi natin nakikita.
mempo says:
@Boobs
Kababayan ko. Naniniwala ka ba na ang buwis na binabayaran mo ay talagang napupunta sa karapat-dapat nitong puntahan?
Kung OO ang iyong sagot, isa kang hibang at tumitira sa mundo na gawa lang ng iyong imahinasyon.
Igising mo ang iyong mata at isipin na sa taon na darating, pati ang pag pasasa (sekswal na bagay) ng mga squatter na walang pakialam sa ating bansa at ekonomiya ay iyong bubunuin, galing sa iyong buwis.
Naniniwala ako na dapat patungan ng buwis ang mga tao na nagbebenta sa internet, pero dapat may klasipikasyon at ang pagpataw ay nararapat kung gaano kalaki ang iyong “online business”. At, siguruhin na ang kikitain dito ng gobyerno ay magagamit sa tama nitong pagkakalagyan.
Ngunit alam natin lahat na hindi ito manyayari.
Maligayang Bagong Taon sa inyong lahat.
Fleeb says:
Siguro mas mura pa rin sa online kasi walang puwestong binabayaran, puwera na lang may warehouse.
GhostHunter says:
If the BIR will really try to push their plans to tax online retailers, it would just push the retailers to use other methods… including abandoning the formal online store format (like certain online gadget retail stores in Multiply) and just advertise their wares on free online classified ad sites like Sulit and AyosDito.
This would make them harder to become targets by the BIR.
JC says:
I think anybody who earns in our country either as an employee or as an entrepreneur should always pay the correct taxes. As an employee, my take home pay is already net of tax.
I had an online business also before and I know the savings an online business has over brick and mortar shops. The savings in OPEX is more than 70%. Think about it, no commercial rent, residential power, water and internet rates, no need to maintain 2 shifts of workers to accommodate mall hours etc. With this much savings in OPEX, I think its already greed to not be paying taxes.
mindy says:
i support the BIR in this move. finally this government is trying to implement all our tax laws. i hope all loopholes are being plugged too.
some people who do business should remove the mentality that paying taxes is “optional” it is every citizen and tax resident’s obligation.
taxables says:
^ well, kung masaya ka sa ginagawa ng gobyerno sa tax mo, good for you. I am not. tax is everywhere.
salary – witholding tax
puchase – evat
>30k bonus – 32% tax
so anong napapala ko sa tax na binabayad ko?
transportation – siksikang mrt and napakatrapik na edsa, malas mo pa at madurukutan ka.
security – pulis na pinapasweldo mo, kinotongan ka pa
healthcare – uso ba sa atin ito?
education – few good teachers dahil ang magagaling ayaw magteacher, kasi daw mababa ang sweldo.
and many more.
i know it’s our obligation, but it’s also governments obligation to make us feel comfortable with the tax we are paying. pero sabi ko nga, kung kuntento ka sa pinapupuntahan ng tax mo, then good for you. but you cannot blame those who are naiinis because maybe, they are paying too much tax that they felt being shortchanged.
tmcr7 says:
FYI, ang totoong presyo ng MRT ticket ay nasa P50-60 kapag pumunta ka sa ibang bansa. Pero dahil subsidized ng gobyerno ang pamasahe sa MRT, P12-14 na lang ang binabayaran mo.
Ghosthunter says:
Personally, I am not happy with our government taxing EVERYTHING they can put taxes on.
Although I do agree that the government is entitled charging SOME taxes, but I do not agree with the BIR’s solution for it’s inefficiency in collecting proper taxes is to increase taxes on the ones who diligently pay their proper taxes every year.
Our VAT is supposed to be only 10% yet because of tax collection shortfalls, it was increased to 12%. 2% might not sound a lot but that is 2% more for everything you spend your money on, including food, shelter, clothing, services and other stuff.
gulag says:
MRT ain’t subsidized by the gov’t. it’s the ad space that subsidizes it.
booboo says:
Regarding sa pulis: Mababa kasi pinag-aralan nila. kung itataas natin ang kalidad ng edukasyon kailangan ng pondo. Mababa din ang sweldo nila, kung itataas natin ang benefits and pay nila eh kailangan din ng pondo. So, papayag ka ba ng itaas ang tax para maging happy ka? Ang VAT, tama naman eh, kailangan across the board. Why exclude online sellers to pay VAT?
tmcr7 says:
Tol, sorry pero subsidized talaga ang MRT/LRT ng gobyerno. Yung railways natin nakakatulong pa sa mga online sellers kasi sa MRT/LRT kadalasan ang meetups.
pwesto says:
porke ba may pwesto na, ibig sabihin nagbabayad ng tax? dami din sa mga yan ay di nagbabayad ng tax. mga hardware nga eh, delivery receipt ibibigay sayo. imagine mo na lang kung gaano kalaki kinikita ng hardware. so kung efficient sana ang pangongolekta ng gobyerno, hindi puro dagdag tax ang ginagawa. ang gaano kayo kasigurado na di nagbabayad ng tax ang mga online seller?
Abrinor says:
Badtrip ka talaga recto! pesteng VAT yan!di naman nakakatulong panapal lang sa mga binubulsa ng mga kurakot!
Dave says:
Badtrip nman… naghahanap talaga ang gobyerno nag magagatasan…
tonybac says:
Isa lang ang napansin ko sa admin na ito, puro buwis, buwis, buwis. Pero may napapala nga ba? Walang problema magbayad ng buwis kung may return kang nakikita o nararamdaman. Kaso, meron nga ba? What’s next? OFW? Mukhang mas kurakot itong admin na ito kesa sa nakaraan.
tmcr7 says:
Dapat naman talaga magbayad ng buwis ang mga online sellers. Proteksyon din ng mamimili dahil kapag may business permit, kailangan sumunod sila sa consumer welfare gaya ng warranty at replacement. Mas mura pa rin naman nila mabebenta ang produkto nila dahil di sila nagbabayad ng pwesto sa tindahan. Lahat puro meetups.
Yoyo says:
There’s nothing wrong with this and I don’t get some people acting like it’s a bad thing. It’s in the law. It should be followed.
What we, the citizens of the Philippines, should do now is to make sure that other business around our area is paying proper taxes. That includes local businesses and even the big companies. I’m looking at you Lucio Tan.
Ghosthunter says:
Nothing wrong about paying taxes but I would like to see my tax money going to worthwhile projects or efficient government services. BUT its known that over 50% of the taxes paid goes straight to the pockets of corrupt officials or paying for overpriced pork barrel projects in where government officials have a cut. One example is the street lamp posts in Manila, Pasig, Pasay, San Juan, etc. Ugly, overpriced and doesn’t provide much light.
Nico says:
@Ghosthunter: Hindi dapat tax ang nirereklamo mo. Ang dapat nirereklamo mo ay yung corruption nung mga pulitiko dun sa lugar na binanggit mo. Sino ba ang bumoto para malagay ang mga pulitikong yun sa puwesto? Hindi ba ang mga bumoto? May ginawa ka ba para i-report o para i-complain yung mga streetlights na binanggit mo?
'em says:
Dito natin malalaman kung ang mga online sellers ay katulad din ng ibang mga unscrupulous businessmen…
Naniniwala din ako na dapat magbuwis ang mga online sellers para fair sa mga SME’s na nagpipilit na sumunod sa mga regulasyon ng gobyerno.
Isa pa,ang affected lang naman nito ay mga mayayaman at mga nagtatrabaho na may malaking exposure sa internet. Malaking porsyento ng populasyon ng bansa hindi affected nito.
vinz says:
Well, they can do what the ones do in Korea do… if they want to tax the stores, they can start overhauling the bank secrecy law so that all bank transactions (including payment transactions) will be seen by the government. From then, they can start taxing the businesses.
vince says:
they might not be able to do that because the govt officials are using the bank secrecy laws to hide their extracurricular activities
lolz joke
nexiligankitor says:
Mukhang may naliligaw na taga-BIR dito. hehe!
Techjunkeez says:
This is sick. Government should instead focus on those big corporations who cheated on their due taxes. Kesa gagatasan yung mga maliliit na entrepreneurs online.
booboo says:
OK nga ito eh. Bakit yung mga may physical stores sa malls binubuwisan pero ang online sellers nakakatakas? Hindi ba unfair para sa kanila na may overhead cost na nga eh napipilitan pang itaas ang presyo para macover ang VAT. Dapat actually pati Divisoria and Quiapo stalls singilin ng VAT. RE: big corporations not paying taxes, hinahabol naman na sila di ba? Hindi ba nababalita na rin ito sa news?
boggart says:
just my opinion: yes, online shops, if they are legitimate businesses, should be taxed just like other businesses – vat or percentage tax, income taxes, etc. yes, the can still price their products lower than mall stores because, like what was pointed out by one commenter, no office/stall space rental, residential utility rates, etc. it is the duty of every citizen, corporate or individual, to pay their correct taxes.
now on the matter of where our taxes go, i too am not happy – hundreds of millions to senators and congressmen, social services to those who do not pay any taxes, cash hand outs to the poor, relief to illegal loggers and illegal miners, etc. while i believe that we should have compassion for the helpless, many of our fellow countrymen are just plain tamad and not helpless at all and they should not benefit from any of our taxes.
Joe says:
BIR has been scratching so many little incremental revenue these days… online sellers, condo corps, minimizing incentives. I think more focus should be done on achieving KRA’s thru “bigger fishes”, such as tax evaders, internal agency corruption, etc. have some balls, BIR
Happy new year everyone!
vince says:
BIR is probably forced to go after small fishes because big fishes have friends in government. lolz
Obed says:
Lol, ang daming nagagalit sa BIR about this, I think tama ang move nila. Actually dapat lang naman may tax yung mga online entreps eh.
I myself is an online entrepreneur, I buy and sell gadgets online, have my own small web hosting and I do freelance web and graphic design.
Lahat nang charges ko ay vat inclusive na and have my own receipt. It’s easier to transact internationally pag may TIN and legal documents ka for your small online business.
GagangBIR says:
letseng yawaaaa!!
Magbayad na kayo…wala ng PDAF PDAF PDAF!!
KURAKOT FOREVER!
booboo says:
Kapag usaping buwis, nakakainis talaga. Pero kailangan ito eh. Kesa umangal tayo eh maging matalino nalang sa darating na eleksyon.
Robert V says:
I knew this would come. : )
pilip says:
people in government esp those appointed act like gods in the early year of the admin, come 2015, they will be all be scared because 2016 is around the corner, and they will soon become mortals.
pong says:
Taxes is good for the country but our government owes us the FOI bill to be signed law w/o any loopholes.
wingatu says:
Nico says:
December 31, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@Ghosthunter: Hindi dapat tax ang nirereklamo mo. Ang dapat nirereklamo mo ay yung corruption nung mga pulitiko dun sa lugar na binanggit mo. Sino ba ang bumoto para malagay ang mga pulitikong yun sa puwesto? Hindi ba ang mga bumoto? May ginawa ka ba para i-report o para i-complain yung mga streetlights na binanggit mo?
kickass says:
tiba2 n naman mga corrupt na BIR Officials dyan!!!
mistah says:
there will always be corruption, and appointed officials will always have vested interest. araw araw merong lumalapit sayo merong hawak na pera… araw-araw ka bang makakatanggi?
paul a. says:
question, does this also apply to those user/sellers at tipidpc.com or in sulit.com.ph?
for example i do have a account on those site and i sell lets say, phone case, which i get from divi for a minimal price, would this law also apply to me?
or only to the Online Seller website like Lazada.com or widget city.com?
Thanks
Iyan Sommerset says:
This will just mean more will move over to those meet-up type sales that just correspond over sms/email/whatever without any actualy formalities done online.
Justin says:
If only we Filipinos actually SEE and BENEFIT from the taxes they’re paying, then we wouldn’t have to find ways and means to circumvent the whole tax collection system!
Justin says:
If only we Filipinos actually SEE and BENEFIT from the taxes we’re paying, then we wouldn’t have to find ways and means to circumvent the whole tax collection system!
Blue says:
If government insists on taxing everything then taxpayers should be the only ones to vote for public officials since taxpayers shoulder everything. If non tax paying citizens want a say in something, they have to force themselves to be productive citizens and become taxpayers. That way, taxpayers can closely monitor how government spends taxes. Hindi ung hakot ng mga squatter at kung ano pang non taxpayers na silang bumubuo ng bulk ng mga botante nila.
green says:
I hope you realize that we’re all taxpayers because of VAT. Everything we buy from retail stores are charged with VAT. So everyone still deserves to vote even if we base it on tax.
max says:
Its just an issue of fairness. Dapat lahat ng dapat may tax habulin ng BIR. Ex. Hardware stores, Car Dealers, Car Repairshops, Computer Repair shops, Foodstands sa malls, Grocery stores, Beauty and Hair Salons, Spas, Jewelry Shops. Also those who offers health services like Dentists, Doctors, Opthalmologists, Dermatologists.
Also those in the transport business. Sellers in palengke – madami dyan abot ng 500 to 1,000 per day ang kita ( that means 12,500 to 25,000 for 25 days of work ). Sabi lang nila yun na wala kita at lugi pag interview on TV.
Halos lahat ng mga yan wala bigay RESIBO kaya wla Tax mga yan. Kung meron man may daya.
Meron cguro maliit ang kita. Pero madami sa kanila malaki talaga ang kita per day. We who know some of them personally, alam natin yan. Meron nga ako kilala tindera lang sa palengke, but ung tatlo anak nasa Private Schools at lagi bago clothes and gadgets.
There’s really money in every business. Mahirap lang talaga mag-impose ang BIR ng Resibo for all businesses. Wala kasi talaga Will Power. Dun lang sila sa mga Employed at dun sa madali i-tax na type of business.
roiji says:
nope.
i am already paying the government much!
Johnny says:
” The closest analogy that I can think of is jaywalking. Anybody who jaywalks can be penalized; it’s already imposed a long time ago. However, there are streets that are not monitored by MMDA so when people crosses that street, they don’t get penalized. Now, the MMDA is saying they will start monitoring those streets that people used to jaywalk all the time because nobody was looking. ”
COULDNT AGREE MORE! These jaywalkers cause accidents and traffic. And its very stressful to drive when you need to be pay extra attention that don’t hit any jaywalker. Even in BGC you see plenty of people who doesn’t care about red signal and cars must slowdown because there’s people blocking the driveway. People walk damn slowly but can’t wait 50seconds for the green light tsktsk. I don’t know are they stupid or don’t just care? Those lights are there for a reason. Also I have noticed especially in some smaller cities that there might be overpass or zebra crossing in 20meters away and people are still too lazy to walk there. They want to cross the street right where they are eventhough its frikking 6 lane street. Filipinos in general are hard working I guess, but when it comes to walking they must be the laziest country I’ve seen. I see often that people rather wait 5 minutes for the Jeepney than walk 200meters. Same happens night and day, so you can’t say that its too hot or dont want to get more tanned. Ok enough ranting. But yeah I hope the traffic will be much better here in 2015.
YEAH, PARTLY OFFTOPIC I KNOW.